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Back in the nineties Geo was a special advisor for police force in the aftermath of the Yugoslavian war. He want to show me the places he lived, worked and spend his time. I am fully in: off to Croatia and Bosnia & Herzegovina.

Since my late 30’s I started to desire my own home but it was a mild desire. Traveling always had the priority, until I reached the 45 and it became obvious I spend more time in camp spots than on the bicycle. Now that Geo and I have an own home, including 4 cats (accidently 3 too many) I find it remarkable that the pull to get back home and water-bath my tomatoes is rather strong.

Is the limit based on being-away time before this homely pull kicks in, or is it the destination that we set which has been reached?

The destination is Mljet, a natural park at the coast of Croatia. It is here that I will start kickbiking around on the island. However, when we get there we turn our heels very quickly, back to Bosnia as if bolted by lightening.

We start off with with a wheel blocked by brake pads. I am proud of Geo that he doesn’t whine but start to fix it immediately: as it is not as simple as fixing a bicycle. In the meantime I pose and hand tools.

I see suddenly no desire in kicking around while I sit comfortably in a van. I see little to no charm in kicking on an island that is steep, covered in prickly impenetrable bushes flourishing on rocky uneven ground. To kick on the one existing main road dotted with holiday maker cars is something not so very appealing. The best surface for kickbiking are unpaved paths or old forgotten sealed roads. Preferably flattish.

I should have studied the map a bit better perhaps, but I actually enjoy the going in our Sunflower van. Our compromise works.

We speed out of Hungary into Croatia where the first night is spend on heat emanating from concrete slabs. Toilet paper, condoms and mosquitoes surrounding us while the smell of rat and mice poop is mild. We are away from the road and behind an abandoned Serbian building with artillery holes visible.

Leaving this spot with first sunlight, after a few tractors boomed past our camp spot, a place not exactly one you would dream of when thinking Croatian camping. Early morning we gather our breakfast in huge supermarket Kaufland in Vukovar. At a terrace outside among smokers coughing we overlook the clientele, quite a few of them war victims. ‘Alive and Kicking’ from the Simple Minds plays over the speakers. Eighties music somehow is popular, here, in Hungary and throughout Bosnia.

My precious regular routine is collapsed, soon heading to impairment of the bowel movement and over sensitivity. It reaches a climax when we go buy breakfast in Bingo supermarket in the outskirts of Sarajevo. Although burek is my favorite sort of hearty pastry, together with rubbery fried fish in an extremely noisy cafe where the coffee is undrinkable strong, where the toilet is out of order and the music too loud and thus I can not help but escape the scene abruptly. Leaving the breakfast table and Geo behind in a daze of confusion, unthankfulness and unease. I am laden with a headache throbbing almost unnoticeable soft in the back of my head, constipation and already ongoing tiredness. It is 40 degrees and we have a guided tour through Sarajevo coming up.

As soon as I see the old town of Sarajevo I am feeling rather quite well. A sudden dash of interest and that good old recognition feeling makes me like the town at once. The people are remarkable optimistic, friendly, easy going and pleasant. I feel good among the veils, niqabs, hijabs and obvious not belonging Muslim men appearing straight from Kuwait, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia and Bangladesh. Apparently, that is where the overly pious looking Muslims hail from. They seek a mild Islamic place to live where there is cool air, freshness, mountains clad in trees and rivers, lakes and affordable prices. It’s all here, though we have no time to stroll around.

‘Thank you for helping us,’ says Adnan to Geo when we have this former lieutenant as our city guide of Sarajevo. Geo worked here at the exact same time that Adnan fought. Adnan stories being hit 3 times by grenade shells and bullets, digging a road through dense mountainous forest and being part of the underground tunnel that provided food, makes the tour of the city suddenly come to life. The war gets a face when you meet people who fought it. Filled with personal details about the 3 year siege, his living in a cellar with a goat kept in a corner to marrying the nurse who gave him Dutch stroopwafels made this Funky tour unforgettable.

We found a free parking place in the old town spacy enough for the Renault Master van, including an overseer.

That evening we are advised to go to Igman mountains, free of mines and camping is allowed (to me it seems camping is allowed everywhere). We are above 1000 meter in altitude and I feel we truly reached beauty. To reach such beauty by kickbike would take me a long time.

It is here that I come to the conclusion that bears must be part of the habitation (I declined to go to the Romanian mountains for this reason). That night I sleep less peaceful.

I have a weird interest in abandoned buildings and staying two nights near the ramshackle ski resort buildings up the hill is cool. Once a battleground, the war scars visible, I now climb the ski ramp.

In my ignorance I try walking up the ramp and when my ankles are unable to cope the gradient, I walk backwards up. Until I realize the going gets hard, more or less impossible somehow. Someone shows up telling me there is a stairway at the back of the 112 meter high ramp. ‘It’s safer,’ and it indeed is.

We continue to Mostar. The temperatures waver nicely towards 40 C degrees and that old fashioned holiday feel springs up.

Together with the change of surrounding I can smell the mediterranean. It makes us slow, tired and ice creamy. Not much later my whole system feels like a clogged soft-ice machine.

A photo from when Geo worked in Mostar, taken by a collegue. The town was hard to recognize but hotel Ero still stands, despite bazooka attacks (with Geo outisde at the building).

Mostar appeared hugely intersting, maybe especially because of the Quwaitis, Bangladeshis, Saudies, Turks and immigrant children born in their parents refuge country. A good mix of people in a sort of setting I was 15 years earlier. Now there are girls in string bikinis, oddly tattood limps, floaty lips and plastic inserted boobs on display. Loud, very loud music, hordes of tourists and young and old all amidst a very restaurated old Ottoman town with extreme cobblestones and thick roof plates. I have seen it before in a pure setting, one functioning as the only way of life and without unfitting elements. Geo has seen it in total destruction almost 30 years earlier. It is beautiful and the whole feel of the town is pleasant but 1 hour is enough and we rush out.

Međugorje is next. In 1981 village children started to see the apparition of Maria, the mother of Jesus. Though not recognized fully by the Vatican, the village sees loads of pilgrims. I usually love such places, for the quietness, the soberness, the calm and normality. India has loads of these places and indeed, here I experience the ashram feel immediately. Both tired of the journey and ongoing heat we leave the town but come back a few days later.

Some devotees walk barefoot to the cross placed on a hill, I wear barefoot shoes. One such barefoot devotee, a Croatian lady living in Australia, talks to us. In fact, we have 99% more social contact here than in Hungary. While threading the slippery stones from the cross back down she says: ‘Our Mom knows what’s best for us,’ and ‘Must we do more than our best?’ and ‘Should we go past our will, to suffer, just like She did?’ She talks so much that I wonder how she can concentrate on the deeper thoughts of a pilgrimage? I did not concentrate on such thoughts, only on my own discomfort. That of not being able to have gone through the usual start of the day, no visit to the ‘toilet’ and a late stale breakfast. But then I start wondering ‘is Mary our Mother?’ ‘If God is our Father, there mustn’t be a mother needed but besides that, we, all living creatures, need a female to be born.’ And so this Croatian talkative barefoot pilgrim spurred me on.

At night thunder sounds near and my body feels the shaking of the soil. Next morning the heat is blown out and the smell of wild thyme flourishing. I pluck a bouquet to take home with us.

Morning mass was much clearer. The church fuller than its capacity with people trickling in throughout the service (very annoying but not more than the lady behind me scraping her throat often, producing sharp edgy rasps). An Irish group performed church service, with a fantastic singer playing the guitar. A middle aged pastor preaching. He told us we all have a little Pharisee in us. In order to come closer to God (or, to be purer) we must overthrow hypocrisy. If we feel we are hiding something from our beloved one, or our family, we must stop doing it. What is done in secrecy must be faced, confessed and stopped.

Croatia has become pricey since the recent entree of euro’s. The coastline not only has reached upper class tourism but also built an impressive bridge to bypass Bosnia. It is that bridge we do not take to leave Croatia quicker than we entered.

Food is actually a huge thing for me (not for Geo). I love my garden and the food I am able to place on the table is of a very high level (not because I am so fantastic but Ottolenghi is). The first place we eat in Croatia is an unlucky shot: fully processed and impossible to guess it’s ingredients. The second meal we are about to have in Croatia is one I deny because of it’s ridiculous high price (8 euro for cold coffee). We’re off to Neum. Not that most we eat goes far beyond fast-food though…

Unlike Hungary, where they devour pork, that we both don’t eat, we ask whether the food we order has ‘svinja’ in it. We are looked upon as kafirs, some laugh at us in an almost offense tone.

Neretva delta, Croatia

Bosnia is not part of the EU yet it feels as being away from Europe. Yoghurt, cheese, meat and fruit has a serious, real, delicious, true taste. The people are enthusiastic, avid smokers and not shy to dump their trash where ever it suits them.

Isn’t nature the best place to dump things not needed anymore? Shaved sheep hairs, filled diapers, incompostable wet toilet paper, filled condoms and its wrappings, bathroom tiles, beer cans, animal bones and plastic bottles are often the backdrop, if not the padding of my camp spots. This view is great, the spot concealed from the road but too stinky and dirty for me.

Tourism can be an ugly thing and parking a van just somewhere might not be right. Our camp spots are usually on local proclaimed trash sites, parking spots, dead end streets and usually odd shady places (which you may expect from condoms).

We’re at a gypsie spot, easy to recognize their style, and I would avoid such sites to camp. Geo not and a local tells us gypsies are just fine and they probably are, but I just want to be sure of aloneness and certainly not a trash dump.

Bosnia is not as prosperous as many EU countries yet a whole lot cheaper than Hungary, where income might be as low as Bosnia.

In Bosnia dogs are not substitutes for children, though quite a few stray dogs exist yet they seem friendly.

Yet, there is complication here. As Geo explains: as a result of the Yugoslav wars, 6 countries that had formed Yugoslavia became independent. Bosnia & Herzegovina, Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia. The ethnic conflicts continued especially in Bosnia & Herzegovina between Bosnian Serbs, Bosnian Croats and Bosnian Muslims (‘Bosniaks’). Bosnian Serbs on one side and Bosniaks together with Bosnian Croats on the other side were fighting each other. In 1992/1993 a ‘war within a war’ started between the former allies Bosnian Croats and Bosniaks. Most famously in and around the city of Mostar. The Bosnian was is known for its genocides and many war crimes.

I feel at home in Muslim societies. No one looks odd at my self wrapped turban aka head cloth.

In my understanding trouble started after Tito died. Serbs wanted to form a ‘Greater Serbia’. The others wanted instead to become independent countries (as we see today Slovenia, Croatia, Montenegro, BiH). Underlying were always these ethnic tensions between the 3 entities. Today the independent country of Bosnia & Herzegovina has now 2 equally big entities: the ‘Republika Srpska’ (Republic of Serbia) and the ‘Federation of Bosnia & Herzegovina’. The Federation is inhabited predominantly by Croats and Bosniaks. Then again, there are areas in the federation that are prominent Croat or Bosniak. The ‘Republika Srpska’ is predominantly inhabited by Serbs.

Drvar feels as if in another era. As if we are back in Soviet times where a war went through and time froze soon after that. It is understandable that one wants to be independent but quite obvious it is not really flourishing in this Serbian town. With the river Una flowing through and an abundant nature surrounding, hills and endless forests, this part may be called wonderful.

The route from somewhere on the M – 6.1 near Posusje towards Drvar is incredible far removed from what I think of as Europe. Large open meadows, far reaching unstoppable spaces where no other roads seem to exist. Hill after hill, mountainous bulge after another. Swept beauty and a desire to kickbike through, if not there are bears and mines. I actually also sit so comfortably. We feel truly far away with clear evidence of something terrible happened in the past. Most houses on this South West region bordering Croatia are ghostly, abandoned, ruined. Artillery scars are everywhere, as are shepherds and sheep.

Like in the old days, I enjoy traveling by public transport, Geo the sole driver, we hunt for camp spots together each evening. I get to see the country well and thoroughly. I marvel through the supermarkets, something which tells me much about the country. I get to see many more than would I be on a kickbike. We drink countless coffees (all too strong) and eat out, something I don’t any longer by myself.

For some reason I dislike being in a car and on a motorbike but not in a truck and van.

Last camp is in Podovi, roughly 300 kilometers from home. Our longing to be home is of such a level that we drive back in one go. Back to the garden, to substantial food and my 4 cats. Though, admittedly, I sit like a princess in the co-drivers seat.


Curious what becomes of the hand dyed swatches I embroider?


Pricey tents are not less prone to tear and wear or in this case, insect damage. A Hilleberg tent is easy to repair if you know how to.

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By Cindy

Years of traveling brought me many different insights, philosophies and countries I needed to be (over 90 in total). I lived in Pakistan, went over 15 times to India and when I stopped cycling the world, that was after 50.000 kilometer through 45 countries, I met Geo. Together we now try to be more self-sustainable, grow our own food and live off-grid. I now juggle with the logistics of being an old-fashioned housewife, cook and creative artist loving the outdoors. The pouches I create are for sale on www.cindyneedleart.com

29 replies on “Bosnia”

Your photos and descriptions catch the essence of this country so well Cindy. I haven’t been to Sarajevo yet but I definitely hope to go in the future. We loved our time there – we hired a car in Dubrovnik and drove to Mostar through Republika Srpska. That was a car ride into a differnt world! I remember our little girl needing to pee but there was nowhere open, no cafes, nothing. Like a ghost town. So we made her piss by the side of the road and she was so upset. Lol. We sent to Medugorje too – if my grandmother knew we were in the area and didnt visit she would have killed me! Lol. I bought her some rosary beads there for her. Made in China. Lol. Thanks to your post all of these memories of that trip are flooding back, thanks as always for sharing. X

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Hi Anna, that was a good test for your daughter! To see whether she really had to pee badly and to give her some natural education. She was maybe worried that others would see her? Quite interesting to find out why she was upset in fact?! As a child I had no problems with peeing outside.

All the way from Australia you came to Bosnia. Did you have a European tour?
Thank you again for your lovely words and compliment . Glad you got memories to enjoy again.

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I think because in Australia, living in the suburbs, there is no place to just pee freely. She never had the experience before, so to her it was foreign to just pee beside a bush. Lol.

We took our daughter to Croatia to visit her great-grandparents before they died. My grandma was getting worse dementia so we knew we had to go. Lucky we did – both grandparents passed a year later. Best thing we did… the joy on my grans face ill remember forever. We dedided to make a holiday out of it to show my Peruvian husband this region too, hence the hire car drive through Cro, Bosnia and Slovenia!

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That means that you are half Bosnian or Croatian? Did your parents or grandparents move to Australia to have a (better/different) life? It’s always interesting, these huge decisions of people to move. Like your husband, probably too. Or my sisters husband, who’s from Venezuela.

Glad that both great grandparents saw the ‘little baby’, somehow there’s more family feeling in the people over there or at least, was.

Did your daughter, in the end, get used to ‘toileting’ outside 😉

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I am full Croatian… both parents born in Croatia. Typical immigrant story, both sets of grandparents left to escape communism and have a better life. You are right, these huge decisions to move, half way across the world, with a suitcase and no language knowledge – its crazy! I cant imagine doing that!

My daughter never got used to outside toileting… i think that was the only time she ever had to do it! Lol

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Phew, yes, how did they even go? What a decision to make. But then, to live in communism and the thought of that?! I always use to think the people who immigrated had money, perhaps all their money went in the overseas trip?

Had your grandparents someone whom they knew so they could land somewhere ‘safe’? And what did they so for a living? I understand that they went back again, as you visited them in their old age.

But how did your parents get born in Croatia?

Do you speak Croatian?

How interesting all. You, your Peruvian husband, your daughter, in Australia. Beautiful mixture.

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Oh no money, definitely no money. They were just poor people from a village who had a little plot of land to grow veggies. Any money they had went to the ticket – mum’s family flew, dad’s took a ship from Genoa to Sydney! So many croatians immigrated to Sydney in the 60s that they had a community that helped them.

Mum’s dad left first – and for 5 years worked as a concrete laborer to save money, then he flew his familyover. For 5 years my mother never saw her dad. When they came she was 11, had to start school, learn english etc. there were 3 families living in her house. While all the parents worked my mother at 11 did cooking, ironing, washing and babysat all the kids.

Dads family came by ship. Moved in with a distant relation. His mum and dad both worked two jobs. He too was around 10 years old.

My parents met at the “croatian club”, in sydney, at a disco night, arouns the age of 18. When they met they realised they that my dads father used to sell fish on the mainland to my mums family back in croatia! They lived across the water from each other but never knew! Then they lived in different parts of sydney but only met at that disco night. The rest is history….

So yes, my parents are quite “aussie” now – no heavy accent as they had most school years in australia. I can understand croatian but my speaking is a bit poor.

Wait til you hear my husbands tales from the Peru side… thats a whole other essay! Lol 🥰

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Hi Anna, it never fails to impress how hard the life of our parents generation was, and almost impossible to fathom how it was for their parents. We really are so pampered and it seems that our parents did all they could to give us an easy life. And how they succeeded! I often wonder how lucky we are and also how easy it is for us.

Your parents mom and dad had to make a decision for life and I also wonder (especially when travelling through these countries, or living here!) what people would have to decide on: staying in an oppressed country, going by the rules of communism, working hard for other people’s lack of doing so… or, starting all anew and working hard for your selves. To think of it, we make decisions not based on working anymore but on quality of life. We, or I (and I feel this position every day) make choices coming indirectly out of our parents hard work ‘do I work to pay the bills or do I work to live’. I reckon in times of communism coming your way, you either go with it and see what it brings or you decide to flee from it and start anew from zero.

I wonder what the rules in communism exactly were?

I also wonder how your mom looks back on this time? Her early youth was one of working, caring and not being able to be a child, at least not how our generation views it. Did she suffer from it? Although I believe a little bit of responsibility for a child is a good thing. Of course, your mom seem to have had a full time mom job at 11 years young….

Where my dad grew up was no communism but he suffered nonetheless. And because of each child make up, each one develops different, whether his or her youth was with hardship or not. Our parents, my husband parents, all have a story. It seems in our parts of the world (yours, mine) we are just better off.

My dad suffered indirectly from the war, his mom who became mentally ill from the war. His dad who died of tuberculose. His brother who was mentally odd and actually a lot of mental illness in the whole family! My dad had to sell wooden shoes (which were made by his brother) from door to door and could only come back home when all his shoes were sold.

Perhaps our parents hardship made them want better for their children.

When your grandparents moved to Australia, was that around the time Tito came to power?

I liked reading your story, thank you for being so open. I can imagine you think ‘why is Cindy so curious?’ but I would have asked it in a face to face conversation, as people’s stories are often so impressive. Much greetings : )

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Hi Cindy,
I am happy to share this story, i too love learning about people, about their lives, where they come from etc.

Our lives pale in hardship compared to our parents, times were so tough back in those days compared to now! I think some of the young people these days just dont listen and appreciate what the elders went through!

Yes my grandparents moved to Australia because of Tito and his communism. Because both families were very pro-Croatia they were in danger. We had family members killed because of this. My mum can still remember being forced to wear a red scarf around her neck at school and singing praises for Tito and USSR etc. Her family hated it. As for her years slaving away in Sydney helping her family, they affecther of course. Because of this she made me do NOTHING. Like, up until i left my family home as an adult i never had to cook, clean or even make my bed. If i offered help she always said “i dont want you to have the life i did, your time will come when you get married, but i wont make you work before that.”

I think so many Europeans of that time must have some sort of mental health problems. The past few years my mum has detoriated. She always cries when ahe remembers her late father leaving their home for 5 years to come to a new country. I think as they get older and now have time in retirement to “do nothing” the bad thoughts of the past creep up on them. Even if your dad didnt suffer direcrtly from ww2 he would have heard the stories from his parents, and that too can affect him. I wonder what mental health is like for the old people of Europe these days… for those who lived through such hard times.

Hope you’ve had a nice weekend! X

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Hi Anna, I don’t know what age you are but Geo and I were talking about the subject whether children of people who were in the war should be thankful or more aware toward their parents? We wondered whether the kids playing in a playground or sitting with their cellphones are realizing that the peaceful place they live in was not so long ago not there. I argued that children who seem to be not too aware of the war their (grand-) parents went through is the best posible outcome, because they apparantly don’t suffer because of the war or their parents once suffering. So we also talked about you: would you be aware of your parents past. It turns out to be a full YES.

I also think awareness only comes at a much later point in life. I as a kid was just not interested in my parents stories. Some things stuck and I would tell those to other family members perhaps but I think overall that a war past should not weigh on a child.

It certainly did not on you, your mom took that very serious. How sweet of her : ) It did very much on my dad, who was a baby and his mom her crazy (literally) behavior affected my dad, as well as her will to care for the family members, which was done by the members themselves.

I wonder what it would be like to wear a red scarf around your neck and sing praises while you are so against it?
Creepy…

We had a nice weekend, thank you. I hope you had a pleasant time too : )

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Oh i forgot – yes my dads parents moved back. After years of hard work they had a hiuse here in perth. Just a modest house nothing fancy. But with that money they could build a nice house and live forver til their death back on the island. My mums mother still lives here in perth – 88 years old! She lives 5 mins away so we help her. X

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They might have missed their roots? I can imagine missing Croatia when living in a city in Australia. Much of Croatia is set up in little hills, winding paths, much characteristic views, nature and small plots of vegetable gardens, animals here and there. Its a total different style than a city. Good on them they returned ‘rich’ and healthy to a stable home country. You saw your grand mom a year before she died, isn’t it? Nice that your other grandmom is so near and in a good condition.

I am curious to your husband’s story, of course. But you need not to tell me ; ) I can imagine Peruvian history is worse! South American ways of life are just still rather severe, violent and hard. We all move in different levels towards peacefull living.

Greetings to your whole family ; ) and have a good day X

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Again, what a beatiful pictures! I was in Bosnia Hercegovina 2019 on my bicycle. Beautiful. Very impressed but also because of it’s history and nowadays sentiments about this history. I spoke with some bosniaks and serbs, different point of views. Visited Sebrenica. Geo was there during the war. Must be special for him to go back. Well now enjoy yourself home, harvesting, embroidering.

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Thank you for the compliment : )

Different point of views are within countries where was no war, or closer by, within ourselves. Its never easy to give one opinion, again, not even within ourselves. But let me focus on the garden and my handiwork, that is a lot easier and less complicated.

Greetings Cindy

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Hi Cindy
Finally a note of appreciation of your life and loves. Thank You!

Favor for your advice please:Based on your many visits to India might you have any advice for riding in Rajasthan? Thinking of a ride around the turn of the New Year. If not…might you suggest a brief ride(two weeks) about a flat landscape(my partners is an inexperienced cyclist).
Thanks
lenny
cosmicfireball@yahoo.com

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Hi Lenny, as for anything cycling related in India, I would not do it ever again. It was too much stress for me and there was no possibility to camp anywhere outside the Himalayas. Then again, I was used to desert. If I had to go back to India on a bicycle (or kickbike) I would go to a desert region or Gujarat. These two provinces are neighbors and Gujarat I found the most easy going. Then again, again, the Sikhs are the very easy going, pleasant people as well. I would choose a route off the tourist trail. But if you REALLY want my opinion, riding for two weeks with someone not experienced in cycling, I would definitely not choose India. Instead: Oman (hilly!), Morocco, Armenia, Georgia, Greece, Albania… The USA, California, Arizona. Inexperienced: the Netherlands, France, Hungary…

Anyway, to stick to your question: Bundi in Rajasthan is marvelous. There are many other places, of course, but I can’t remember the towns, I wasn’t blogging back then ; )

I wish you a beautiful ride!

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